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Post by gk on Jan 16, 2009 18:09:44 GMT -6
ok, is there anyway we can fire Mangini right now and hire Gruden?
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 16, 2009 19:30:53 GMT -6
has he really done anything apart from dungy's players?
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Post by gk on Jan 16, 2009 20:06:06 GMT -6
Not if you don't consider "making the playoffs" anything.
remember when he coached the Raiders to SB quality? The raiders??? of course, then he beat them the next year in the SB.
I think he's one of the five best coaches in the NFL. In terms of game planning, player management, and and sheer, badassery, there's no one better.
He's way better than Dungy.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 16, 2009 23:07:57 GMT -6
no playoff wins in the last 6 years. 60-57 record. didnt develop one QB. fell apart like wet paper this year.
not really surprised hes gone. im not saying hes not a good coach, but merely making the playoffs isnt enough anymore.
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Post by gk on Jan 17, 2009 1:39:32 GMT -6
disagree. playoffs every other year + 1 Super Bowl win every 10 would be p.l.e.n.t.y for me.
But my standards are pretty damned low.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 17, 2009 1:49:00 GMT -6
OK sure, a Browns fan would take that. But if you win a SB in the first year, and then never win another playoff game, you shouldn't expect job security 6 years later.
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Post by mayor on Jan 17, 2009 8:00:20 GMT -6
If fans/GMs/owners aren't willing to take that kind of success, they are just silly. Tampa Bay only goes down hill from here. You can't win Super Bowls every year (or every five years) and people shouldn't expect it. Unless of course you're a Cowboys fan, then I hope you expect it every year, because that will be the cause of your great demise (oh wait, that's already happened).
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Post by gk on Jan 17, 2009 10:11:06 GMT -6
OK, then what's the point of replacing him with the defensive backs coach? If it's the defense that collapsed after the announced departure of Kiffin, why retain the same staff?
Tampa Bay doesn't win 8 games next year.
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Post by finkle on Jan 17, 2009 11:04:00 GMT -6
there really has to be a way to judge the overall strength/health of a franchise or else just about every coach should be fired after 4-5 years. i'm not saying that a lot of coaches shouldn't be fired, but some of this "what have you done for me lately" shtick is a bit much.
andy reid, for example, should not be fired --- and he shouldn't have been if we had just missed the playoffs, either.
i really admire how pittsburgh runs its organization. people don't doubt that bill cowher is a great coach, but it took him a while to reach the top out there. how many owners would have fired him 5-7 years in?
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Post by gk on Jan 17, 2009 12:10:16 GMT -6
I faintly remember people suggesting that Cowher should have been fired after some 8-8 or 7-9 seasons. It's a testament to the ownership they held their ground and were greatly rewarded.
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Post by gk on Jan 17, 2009 12:13:44 GMT -6
I guess Chad prefers the model of the Cowboys: fire the defensive coordinator even though that was the strongest part of the team this year??!!
I'm now wondering if the Cowboys are more clueless than the Browns. It's like the Cowboys are suspending their campaign and then flying to Washington, then threatening to skip the debate, then showing up anyway.
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Post by mayor on Jan 17, 2009 13:49:33 GMT -6
The Cowboys are certainly clueless.
And I definitely think the strongest point of the Steelers organization is their ownership. If Cowher ends up coaching somewhere else, I think he could be quite disappointed. It won't be the same.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 17, 2009 22:08:32 GMT -6
Gruden was 60-57 with the Bucs. That's as mediocre as you can get. If that's success and what teams should be striving for, then by all means keep on these coaches.
Brian Stewart deserved to be fired. The Dallas D this year was the most overrated part of the team. Ware was good, but their stats were awful. They were a horrible defense. I know, because I watched them score 0 points for me week after week in DVR.
All the coaches except the D line coach deserve to be fired.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 17, 2009 23:03:44 GMT -6
I agree, because Reid has been to five NFC championships in the last eight years. That's the kind of consistency you should be looking for.
I'm not saying Gruden isn't a good coach. I'm just saying it was time for him to move on from that team.
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Post by gk on Jan 18, 2009 9:12:00 GMT -6
60-57 with the likes of Brian Griese, Bruce Gradkowski, Jeff Garcia and, of course, Chad's favorite, Shaun King is nothing short of a miracle. I agree with the GM firing because they've never had any offensive talent.
As someone who has watched Jeff Garcia have a QB rating of 0.0 and Bruce Gradkowski who had a QB rating of 1.0 against the Steelers a few weeks ago, I can appreciate the difficult QB situations Gruden's had to work with.
Isn't Gruden exactly the kind of coach the Cowboys need right now?
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