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Post by fatmenace on Jan 3, 2011 11:32:03 GMT -6
Awesome. High five and celebrating...and then immediately try to go into damage control.
Enjoy the Morhinwheg era.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 3, 2011 16:16:05 GMT -6
I just cannot believe Kubiak is coming back.
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Post by gk on Jan 3, 2011 16:23:22 GMT -6
I just cannot believe Kubiak is coming back. I sort of believe/understand it. As I mentioned, there are/will be a lot of openings and only 3-4 sure fire coaches. And Kubiak was brought in as an offensive mastermind, which he's been. If they can get a decent DC and bring the defense up to, say, average, they'll be a playoff team. I usually side on retaining a coach until the end of his contract. The Browns will have paid something like $90 million to coaches and GMs they've fired since 1999 by the time they're done paying Mangini.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 3, 2011 16:29:53 GMT -6
Yeah but the Texans just flat out quit in some games this year. I mean, after five years and zero playoff appearances...does anyone really expect them to go next year?
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Post by gk on Jan 3, 2011 16:31:14 GMT -6
..does anyone really expect them to go next year? /cautiously raises hand....
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 3, 2011 19:37:50 GMT -6
Am I the only one who thinks Tom Cable should be brought back? Did they not exceed expectations this year?
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Post by gk on Jan 3, 2011 20:05:41 GMT -6
2010 recordwise, yes, you can make a case he should be retained. But I don't think there's any way to build a stable organization around that guy (not that the Raiders are a model framework of stability otherwise). I think multiple cases of domestic abuse should probably disallow you to be head coach of an NFL team (although, Bobby Cox of the Atlanta Braves is revered).
This position also allows me to continue disagreeing with you about every coaching move.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 3, 2011 20:07:41 GMT -6
Yeah I've noticed we're in agreement on nothing so far about coaches.
Rumors continue to circulate that Dallas is making a push for Chryst as OC. He was on Texas campus today and I'm guessing if he doesn't accept OC position from Mack tonight he'll be in Dallas tomorrow.
Either place he goes would sit well with me.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 4, 2011 20:56:01 GMT -6
Cable is out. I think they made a huge mistake.
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Post by gk on Jan 4, 2011 21:27:45 GMT -6
Not sure if "huge" is the right word.
The confusing part is why he wasn't fired in any of his previous years of coaching.
Just to get things straight - you want to fire Kubiak (.463 winning %) and keep Cable (.386). Let's also keep in mind the AFC South is twice the division the AFC West is.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 4, 2011 21:54:23 GMT -6
Different situations. Kubiak has had five years to build something and he's been totally average. Cable inherited a team that was historically bad and managed in two years to get them 6-0 in the division and 8-8 this year. For the Raiders, that's a huge step. It just feels like this year some things came together for them and I can see them improving to 10 or 11 wins next year, provided they have a QB.
Look, I'm not saying Cable is Lombardi. There are coaches available coaches who would be an instant upgrade, no doubt. And if they get one of those, great. I have zero loyalty to Cable. I'm just saying, considering the last eight years...maybe a little continuity with this coach wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Post by gk on Jan 5, 2011 11:27:49 GMT -6
Kubiak took over a 2-14 team. They finished 2nd in the division last year.
There is no way in hell the Raiders win 10 game next year. Even if some sort of Bellichick-Lombardi hybrid were coach. They had a super-cake schedule and don't have a first round pick this year - and are missing several other draft picks in future years for the Campbell, Wimbley etc. trades.
Kubiak's been "average" in the sense that he have been hovering around .500 in the toughest division in football (they've finished 4th despite going 8-8, sort of the anti-NFC West). Cable's "rebuilt" the Raiders in the sense that, yes, he took over a dysfunctional team, and was able to squeak out a 8-8 record by fattening up on an easy schedule.
Just saying that Kubiak probably deserves one more year. Indy, Tennessee, and Jacksonville all look to be on the decline. If he can't get to a winning record in 2011, then by all means, let him go.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 5, 2011 11:43:58 GMT -6
OK somehow I got pulled into defending Cable, a coach I have zero attachment to.
Regarding the ten wins, I think I have my first fearless prediction next year's list.
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Post by fatmenace on Jan 5, 2011 11:45:22 GMT -6
On another note, I'm shocked Cincy brought back Lewis.
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Post by gk on Jan 5, 2011 12:08:18 GMT -6
On another note, I'm shocked Cincy brought back Lewis. I agree with you there, re:shocked. I haven't decided if I think that's a good decision or not. He's won the division twice and only finished with a sub-7-win record twice. Just finished up his worst year - but obviously there were some mitigating circumstances.
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