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[gk]

A move like this should have been made a decade ago.

Now Randy Lerner can go enjoy his soccer team in England and leave the tinkering to someone who actually knows a thing or two about football.

Holmgren can now bring in a GM, bring in a coach, bring in scouts, and bring in players from the top down, not from the bottom up.

[gk]

........ aaaaaannnnnnddddd........... Quinn gets placed on IR.

[mayor]

Move Cribbs to QB?

[gk]

Might as well.

Nah, we'll give DA another go ahead. This way, this Sunday's game against Oakland has the potential of a Anderson-Frye rematch. It's like the Christmas Day Kobe-Lebron-Shaq matchup, except a billion times worse.

[tornadorider]

Wow! Outstanding move. Although I am a die hard Viking fan there are a couple of AFC teams I like to see do well, Chiefs and the Browns. It baffles my mind when owners have the option to get a proven winner and yet pass on that to take a chance on an unproven talent hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

After watching the Brown v. Chief highlites I think you are a QB away from being a playoff contender, but it was the Chiefs.

Was Brian "Mr. Concussion"Sipe the last excellent Cleveland QB.

[gk]

Dec 22, 2009 14:00:06 GMT -6 tornadorider said:

Was Brian "Mr. Concussion"Sipe the last excellent Cleveland QB.

Bernie Kosar came after Sipe, but they're close. But it is kind of scary that the best Browns QBs since, say, 1980 go like this:

1) Kosar
2) Brian Sipe
3) .... um .... Tim Couch?

[fatmenace]

So do you want mangenius back or not?

[gk]

I've always thought he should have at least two years, so long as there's a solid GM in place. But it's up to the walrus now.

Ending the season on a 4 game winning streak should probably assure his return, for better or worse, and they have a chance against Jacksonville at home next week.

[gk]

Holmgren is apparently talking to Philly GM Tom Heckert for the Cleveland GM job. As considered last year, but Heckert flat out refused to be the GM of a team that already had their coach in place - or at least, Mangini in place.

Doesn't sound good for Mangini.

[gk]

Mangini safe for another day. "THE" meeting coming tomorrow.

[gk]

Adam Schefter reporting/tweeting that Mangini & Co. WILL be back next year.

[gk]

Now about that GM position ....?

[fatmenace]

Cribbs says "Farewell" to Browns. I was on his side most of the season, but...just chill for a minute. Mangini was just retained today, it's the first week of January. Not exactly the time for hardball tactics.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/07/cribbs-says-farewell-its-over-in-cleveland/

[gk]

Yeah I agree. I'm totally on his side, but he and his agent need to take a chill pill. Priority one is getting a GM in place.

[gk]

Tom Heckert is now on board. I assume he'll primarily be in charge of the draft. Here's his draft record with the Eagles.
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2001
1 1 25 25 Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA
2 2 24 55 Quinton Caver LB Arkansas
3 3 1 63 Derrick Burgess DE Mississippi
4 4 26 121 Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska
5 5 16 147 Tony Stewart TE Penn State
6 5 24 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon

2002
1 1 26 26 Lito Sheppard DB Florida
2 2 26 58 Michael Lewis DB Colorado
3 2 27 59 Sheldon Brown DB South Carolina
4 3 26 91 Brian Westbrook RB Villanova
5 4 26 124 Scott Peters C Arizona State
6 5 27 162 Freddie Milons WR Alabama
7 6 26 198 Tyreo Harrison LB Notre Dame
8 7 27 238 Raheem Brock DE Temple


2003
1 1 15 15 Jerome McDougle DE Miami (FL)
2 2 29 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers
3 3 31 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia
4 4 34 131 Jamaal Green DE Miami (FL)
5 6 12 185 Jeremy Bridges G Southern Mississippi
6 7 30 244 Norman Lejeune DB Louisiana State

2004
1 1 16 16 Shawn Andrews T Arkansas
2 3 26 89 Matt Ware DB UCLA
3 4 33 129 J.R. Reed DB South Florida
4 4 35 131 Trey Darilek G Texas-El Paso
5 5 30 162 Thomas Tapeh RB Minnesota
6 6 20 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware
7 6 27 192 Dexter Wynn DB Colorado State
8 7 26 227 Adrien Clarke G Ohio State
9 7 41 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland
10 7 42 243 Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas

2005
1 1 31 31 Mike Patterson DT USC
2 2 3 35 Reggie Brown WR Georgia
3 2 31 63 Matt McCoy LB San Diego State
4 3 13 77 Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech
5 4 1 102 Sean Considine DB Iowa
6 4 25 126 Todd Herremans T Saginaw Valley State
7 5 10 146 Trent Cole LB Cincinnati
8 5 36 172 Scott Young G Brigham Young
9 6 37 211 Calvin Armstrong T Washington State
10 7 33 247 Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State
11 7 38 252 David Bergeron LB Stanford

2006
1 1 14 14 Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State
2 2 7 39 Winston Justice T USC
3 3 7 71 Chris Gocong DE Cal Poly
4 4 2 99 Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia
5 4 12 109 Jason Avant WR Michigan
6 5 14 147 Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado
7 5 36 168 Omar Gaither LB Tennessee

2007
1 2 4 36 Kevin Kolb QB Houston
2 2 25 57 Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
3 3 24 87 Stewart Bradley LB Nebraska
4 3 27 90 Tony Hunt RB Penn State
5 5 22 159 C.J. Gaddis DB Clemson
6 5 25 162 Brent Celek TE Cincinnati
7 6 27 201 Rashad Barksdale DB Albany State

2008
1 2 16 47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame
2 2 18 49 DeSean Jackson WR California
3 3 17 80 Bryan Smith DE McNeese State
4 4 10 109 Michael McGlynn G Pittsburgh
5 4 18 117 Quintin Demps DB Texas-El Paso
6 4 32 131 Jack Ikegwuonu DB Wisconsin
7 6 18 184 Michael Gibson G California
8 6 34 200 Joe Mays LB North Dakota State
9 6 37 203 Andrew Studebaker DE Wheaton
10 7 23 230 King Dunlap T Auburn

2009
1 1 19 19 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
2 2 21 53 LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
3 5 17 153 Cornelius Ingram TE Florida
4 5 21 157 Victor Harris DB Virginia Tech
5 5 23 159 Fenuki Tupou T Oregon
6 6 21 194 Brandon Gibson WR Washington State
7 7 4 213 Paul Fanaika G Arizona State
8 7 21 230 Moise Fokou LB Maryland


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It's actually not quite as good as it was in my mind, but I imagine it's better than most of the teams in the league. Also, it appears that his drafts got better as time went on, particularly 2008-2009. It certainly helps that he already had a franchise QB in place.